Who Was Behind the Las Vegas Shooting?

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Re: Who Was Behind the Las Vegas Shooting?

Postby recluse » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:30 pm

Glaring Inconsistencies Plague Las Vegas Narrative
Lots of wild speculation and a ton of bullshit... blah, blah, blah...
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Re: Las Vegas Shootings

Postby sandman » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:06 am

surfsteve: Not buying it. There was one shooter and any supposed evidence to the contrary is either fake or some kind of artifact of some kind of camera glitch or other technologically induced illusion. It would not be difficult for anyone with a little time and a little extra money to do this kind of thing without any assistance whatsoever. Any jerk could pull it off with just a little basic planning and preparation. In NV and AZ gun laws are way too lax, while here in CA they're too strict. I'm not in favor of further restrictions here in CA.
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Re: Who Was Behind the Las Vegas Shooting?

Postby surfsteve » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:59 am

surfsteve wrote:If you believe the official story that the mass shooting was planned and executed by a single lone wolf individual after watching this video than you must believe that this video was faked as shots can be clearly heard coming from two different locations.

Apologies for the repeat from my post on the prop 63 thread.
Listen to the first 3 or 4 minutes if you haven't already...

This video absolutely proved there was more than one shooter and now it's been taken down by the user. Why is that? Did somebody pay her to take it down or threaten her with a lawsuit?

I did happen to make a copy of the video in case it was taken down. Not sure what to do with it. I suppose if I try and upload it at Youtube again they will suspend my account.
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Another Simultanious Shooting at the Bellagio Hotel!

Postby surfsteve » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:05 am

I heard on a talk show that there was also some shooting going on at the near by Bellagio hotel and that it was put on lock down so I did some searching and came up with a few videos.
These next two videos taken by tourists claim there were machine gun shots fired in the Bellagio Hotel as well.


I made copies of them as well in case they are also taken down.
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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Postby drdesert » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:17 am

MASS SHOOTINGS: I like to reserve the word terrorism for an act which is done on behalf of a group of people. An act done by an individual is just a mass shooting or someone going postal. Acts of terrorism are a little more predictable since usually they are done in reaction to some wrong that has been done by a government. Individual acts are just some person who is angry and that kind of thing is always going to be below the radar and not easy to anticipate. Random shootings like the one in Las Vegas are likely to happen sporadically regardless of anything we do. Even without guns people can still find ways to kill lots of people, but let's face it, guns do make it easier.
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Re: Who Was Behind the Las Vegas Shooting?

Postby surfsteve » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:14 am

sandman wrote:surfsteve: Not buying it. There was one shooter and any supposed evidence to the contrary is either fake or some kind of artifact of some kind of camera glitch or other technologically induced illusion. It would not be difficult for anyone with a little time and a little extra money to do this kind of thing without any assistance whatsoever. Any jerk could pull it off with just a little basic planning and preparation. In NV and AZ gun laws are way too lax, while here in CA they're too strict. I'm not in favor of further restrictions here in CA.


Sounds like you have your mind made up regardless of the evidence and that if you had been there yourself and then come home to see a different version on the TV that you would have believed them over what you saw with your own eyes.

You said yourself that it would require planning and preparation. Studios take months to make films and you believe that someone with a cell phone and Youtube would be able to make a fake video the very next day?

Have a look at the Bellagio videos I posted and let me know if you think they are faked as well and then tell me why you believe that the news agencies who have multi million dollar budgets are telling you the truth.
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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Postby surfsteve » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:34 am

drdesert wrote:MASS SHOOTINGS: I like to reserve the word terrorism for an act which is done on behalf of a group of people. An act done by an individual is just a mass shooting or someone going postal. Acts of terrorism are a little more predictable since usually they are done in reaction to some wrong that has been done by a government. Individual acts are just some person who is angry and that kind of thing is always going to be below the radar and not easy to anticipate. Random shootings like the one in Las Vegas are likely to happen sporadically regardless of anything we do. Even without guns people can still find ways to kill lots of people, but let's face it, guns do make it easier.

I'm not seeing any evidence that this was done by a lone individual other than because the TV said so. If the videos I been putting up are faked show me how it was done! If it's so easy to fake a video why don't you prove it to me by making a fake video of the same thing happening in Trona? I'll bet you can't and that anyone could spot it as a fake a mile away!
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Re: Who Was Behind the Las Vegas Shooting?

Postby desertrat » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:06 pm

Did the Las Vegas gunman act alone?
This is a reasonable discussion of the Las Vegas shooting. A smart person with sufficient resources could easily pull off a crime like this. There is little we can do to prevent these events, but better security is the key to making these crimes more difficult to commit on the scale we saw in Las Vegas.
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Re: Las Vegas Shootings

Postby JanuaryJones » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:16 am

Fake News: It would be better that YouTube allow the videos to stay up since taking them down fuels speculation. Then again, many YouTubers know how to play the system by taking them down themselves and claiming that YouTube took them down. That buys them a lot of attention. So, it's anyone's guess as to what actually happened, but the balance of the available info points to the Las Vegas situation being the work of a single person working all alone.
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Re: Las Vegas Shooting

Postby pcslim » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:43 am

Distinguishing between actual terrorist activity and lone wolf events is key to successfully developing methods for dealing with the two types of events. Terrorist activity requires coordination between like-minded people who all believe in some kind of extremist ideology. Lone wolves have no hope of gaining collaborators and so they go about preparing for their crimes in a different manner. Although the actual crimes may be similar in a number of ways, there are underlying differences and so the two shoud not be conflated.
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