SOCIAL REFORM

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Re: SOCIAL REFORM

Postby torn80 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:23 am

cactuspete wrote:IDEA ONE: Citizenship should not be automatically conferred on all residents. It must be earned. Further, there should be three tiers of citizenship:
1) TIER ONE - Entitles the individual to one vote in local, statewide, and national elections. To earn this right one must either successfully complete four years of military service, four years of service in the CCC, or earn a bachelor's degree at an accredited university within the USA.
2) TIER TWO - To advance to the second tier an individual must complete a master's degree at an accredited university within the USA or successfully pay taxes for ten years. Only those who earn Tier One status can advance to Tier Two. (Entitles the individual to two votes.)
3) TIER THREE - To advance to the third tier an individual must complete a doctorate or successfully pay taxes for an additional ten years. Only those who earn Tier Two status can advance to Tier Three. (Entitles the individual to three votes.)

If voting really mattered a system like this would already be in place. Allowing stupid people to vote is a recipe for disaster. A way to ensure that only smart people who are invested in the society can vote is the only way to protect the integrity of the system. Our current system is a sham and the most important elections are routinely rigged. Who's to stop them?
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Re: SOCIAL REFORM

Postby MojaveMike » Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:29 am

Our current system allows someone from another country who hates our country to move to our country and gain citizenship and then to vote for policies and candidates which undermine our values. How stupid is that? Just as bad, new citizens can vote for policies which take money away from hard-working people who have been citizens all their lives. How much more stupid is that? We need to rethink certain aspects of our voting and citizenship policies and we need to do it now before it's too late!
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Re: SOCIAL REFORM

Postby cactuspete » Tue Nov 24, 2020 6:17 am

In an earlier post I stated that IDEA FIVE was Freedom of Speech. During discussions we had a couple of other important ideas which could have just as easily been listed as the fifth idea or maybe we should just make six in all, but in either case another BIG IDEA was "Limited Immigration." The USA should have a highly controlled immigration system which only allows in the best and the brightest. At the very least we should not allow just anyone to immigrate to our country. Additionally, it would be a good idea to purge the country of people who are here illegally.
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Re: SOCIAL REFORM

Postby sandman » Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:48 am

There are a lot of good ideas in this thread. Meaningful change is only possible if the fundamental concepts are clearly defined and many of these ideas in this thread would be part of a strong foundation for social change which would produce a healthy society. The current dysfunctional state of society must be fixed and it's ideas like the ones in this thread which could serve as the catalyst for the needed repair.
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Re: SOCIAL REFORM

Postby pcslim » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:32 am

Individual Freedoms For All Citizens
There are two fundamental freedoms which must be protected:
1) Freedom of Speech - Discrimination based on expression of ideas, beliefs, values, etc. should not be allowed.
2) Genetic Privacy - Discrimination based on genetics should not be allowed. For instance, a company should not be allowed to refuse employment to anyone based on their genetics.
IN SHORT: A merit-based society is what we should strive for. Anything less is fundamentally tyranny.
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Re: SOCIAL REFORM

Postby recluse » Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:19 pm

This was posted to another thread, but it makes a lot of sense here. These are some great ideas for educational reform which could have a very positive impact on society in general.
pcslim wrote:
MojaveMike wrote:Virtue-signalling at the expense of school children is harmful and exploitative, but that's what we have here. As for "university professors" pushing this crap, they are all professors of pseudo-academic topics such as Gender Studies or Gay Studies or Ethnic Studies or Human Sexuality Studies or.... get ready for it.... Education. Our schools are run by flunkies who graduate with degrees which are tainted by fake academics and the one area that has been most impacted by these frauds is education. Universities have allowed this cancer to grow within their institutions and it has now metastasized and is in the process of infecting the rest of society.

Educational reform is needed at all levels, but one thing I'd do immediately would be to delegitimatize all the fake college degrees including those you list: Gender Studies, Gay Studies, Human Sexuality Studies, Ethnic Studies, etc. and Education. I'd also include a few others. The strategy I'd recommend is to simply strip the title of DOCTOR from anyone with a doctorate in any of these areas. I'd do the same to the idea of holding a master's or bachelor's degree in any of these areas also. I'd put these areas of pseudo-intellectual study into a separate category and only allow the titles of Associate and Curator to be used: Those with Bachelor's Degrees in these areas would be re-categorized as having earned an Associate's Degree and those with Master's and Doctorates would be re-categorized as holding a Curator's Degree. On top of that these academic majors would be expunged from the university system and simply cease to be recognized as areas of legitimate study. As for education majors, there would still be teacher credentialing programs, but there would be no advanced degrees or even Bachelor's degrees offered. A prospective teacher would be required to earn a Bachelor's degree in a legitimate area of study and those desiring an advanced degree would have to complete a legitimate academic program. There would be no more pseudo-academic programs which exist for the sake of giving intellectually inferior people recognition they do not deserve.
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Re: SOCIAL REFORM

Postby wildbill » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:17 am

cactuspete wrote:Privately I've been involved in a few discussions with other members of this board and some of what we've talked about could fit here. Feel free to join in!

IDEA ONE: Citizenship should not be automatically conferred on all residents. It must be earned. Further, there should be three tiers of citizenship:
1) TIER ONE - Entitles the individual to one vote in local, statewide, and national elections. To earn this right one must either successfully complete four years of military service, four years of service in the CCC, or earn a bachelor's degree at an accredited university within the USA.
2) TIER TWO - To advance to the second tier an individual must complete a master's degree at an accredited university within the USA or successfully pay taxes for ten years. Only those who earn Tier One status can advance to Tier Two. (Entitles the individual to two votes.)
3) TIER THREE - To advance to the third tier an individual must complete a doctorate or successfully pay taxes for an additional ten years. Only those who earn Tier Two status can advance to Tier Three. (Entitles the individual to three votes.)

For this to work the CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps) would need to be reactivated. Also it should be noted that citizenship could not be earned until on or after an individual's twenty-second birthday. There are lots of details we've discussed, but I'll just add one more. In order for the university degrees to have any value, major reform of the university system would be necessary. There could be no frivolous courses of study or any courses focused on advocacy for a cause or any other garbage courses. Reforming the universities would be a lot of work, but it's an important part of social reform. On top of that our legal system would need a major overhaul for an meaningful change to be achieved.

I like this, but I would move the four years of service up a couple years so that people are eligible for citizenship by the time they are twenty. Let's face it, those who cannot finish high school by the time they are sixteen are not really college material. They should complete algebra/geometry/trig so that they are ready for calculus by the time they are sixteen. Those who can't do that should go into the military or CCC. Besides a strong math background, high school graduates should have a strong science and history background and they should be able to read and write at a reasonably high level of proficiency. Those going into the military or CCC can finish high school on their free time, but everyone should be held to high academic standards before being awarded a high school diploma and citizenship should not be given to anyone who has not earned that diploma!
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Re: SOCIAL REFORM

Postby CactusHugger » Wed Mar 03, 2021 6:28 am

wildbill: Citizens should be highly literate. Increasing academic standards and only awarding a high school diploma to those who deserve it and then requiring a high school diploma plus four years of service or college would guarantee that citizens would only be people who are qualified to thoughtfully consider important questions involving the future of this country. Citizenship is not a birthright or something given to anyone who can breathe, it must be earned or else it is meaningless!
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Re: SOCIAL REFORM

Postby drdesert » Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:06 am

MojaveMike wrote:Our current system allows someone from another country who hates our country to move to our country and gain citizenship and then to vote for policies and candidates which undermine our values. How stupid is that? Just as bad, new citizens can vote for policies which take money away from hard-working people who have been citizens all their lives. How much more stupid is that? We need to rethink certain aspects of our voting and citizenship policies and we need to do it now before it's too late!

The Biden plan is to REPLACE good people here in the USA with low-life from outside the country who come here for free money and who will vote dumb-as-crap in the future. They transformed Texas using this strategy and now they want to change the rest of the country too.
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Re: SOCIAL REFORM

Postby panamint_patty » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:39 pm

The idea that citizenship must be earned is a good one. The ways of earning citizenship listed in this thread make a lot of sense too. Young people should serve their country before citizenship is extended to them. That makes sense. Anything worth anything in life must be earned and citizenship is a perfect example of something which should be earned and not taken for granted.
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