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The Underworld Empire

Postby surfsteve » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:23 pm

I've heard from several people that there are a series of underground caverns under China Lake that goes all the way to the ocean. While the tale sounds too fantastic to believe there a lot of articles floating around the internet to suggest it may actually be true. Here is one such article. Fact or fiction?
"Some time ago, I heard a man on a TV interview-show briefly mention that parts of California and neighboring states are floating on the Pacific Ocean! He was a high ranking Naval officer on a top- secret nuclear submarine that has been (and is) exploring and mapping these enormous caverns and passage-ways underneath the West for over 10 years now.


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Re: The Underworld Empire

Postby surfsteve » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:37 pm

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Re: The Underworld Empire

Postby mrfish » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:46 am

:wtf:
Sounds like an interesting idea for a sci-fi type movie, but other than that it's a little off the deep end!!!
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Re: The Underworld Empire

Postby CoolChick » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:53 am

mrfish wrote::wtf:
Sounds like an interesting idea for a sci-fi type movie, but other than that it's a little off the deep end!!!
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Yeah, that's kind of way out there. I mean what would happen if there was an earthquake?
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Re: The Underworld Empire

Postby CrustyOldFart » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:33 am

CoolChick wrote:
mrfish wrote::wtf:
Sounds like an interesting idea for a sci-fi type movie, but other than that it's a little off the deep end!!!
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Yeah, that's kind of way out there. I mean what would happen if there was an earthquake?
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I've heard of the Inland Empire, but what's this about an Underworld Empire?
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Re: The Underworld Empire

Postby surfsteve » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:39 am

I heard stories from the locals that a truck at the plant fell through the brine one time and that it went over 500 foot deep. I believe it's true that California is divided by two geological plates that are pulling apart AKA the San Andreas fault. It makes sense that there would be some underwater caves created by this. Having a passageway big enough to drive a nuclear powered submarine down to the ocean does seem far fetched though. At the very least there would have to be a series of locks built to keep the water from flowing out through them because we are at 1500 foot elevation and the sea is at sea level (duh).
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Re: The Underworld Empire

Postby surfsteve » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:15 pm

Here is an interesting link on the subject
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread300230/pg1
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Re: The Underworld Empire

Postby BoraxBill » Wed Dec 24, 2014 11:00 am

Underground Bases
I stumbled upon an interesting list of underground bases which includes one directly below Argus Peak. DUM stands for Deep Underground Military (Base), BTW.
35. Trona, CA, 35° 45.5' N 1 77º22.6' W --several miles northwest of Trona, directly under Argus Peak. This DUM sits on China Lake's NWC's land, and may have been built in the '60s.

LINK: http://educate-yourself.org/dc/undergroundbaseslisted08feb04.shtml
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Re: The Underworld Empire

Postby surfsteve » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:43 pm

BoraxBill wrote:Underground Bases
I stumbled upon an interesting list of underground bases which includes one directly below Argus Peak. DUM stands for Deep Underground Military (Base), BTW.
35. Trona, CA, 35° 45.5' N 1 77º22.6' W --several miles northwest of Trona, directly under Argus Peak. This DUM sits on China Lake's NWC's land, and may have been built in the '60s.

LINK: http://educate-yourself.org/dc/undergroundbaseslisted08feb04.shtml


Interesting find Bill. I wonder if they just drilled into some sort of natural preexisting cave system and modified it. Before they closed off Ruth Mine I noticed what appeared to be several natural looking cave like formations. Ruth Mine goes into the tiny mountain in front of Argus peak so there is a good possibility that the ones inside Argus peak could be huge, if they even exist at all.
The following is an extract from the excellent and thoroughly researched book Underground Bases and Tunnels: What is the Government Trying to Hide? by Richard Sauder Phd.

I downloaded a pdf version of the book from a torrent site and it gives detailed illustrations of the blueprints for the China Lake base which were originally devised in the 60s (I think).


"...I would reemphasize at this juncture that I do not
know whether or not any of the cavities discussed in this
Army Corps of Engineers document, including the one near
Trona, California, were ever excavated. Clearly, a great
deal of care and time was invested in this planning study;
whether that care and planning translated into actual
construction I do not know. I would note, however, that
the projected Trona, California site lies just inside the
boundary of the China Lake Naval Weapons Center, which
has long been rumored to be the site of a massive
underground installation. While I cannot speak to the truth
of the rumor, I nevertheless find it suggestive that in 1964
the Army Corps of Engineers published a document that
sets out in some detail a plan to construct a large, deep
underground cavity at that location.
I know from direct experience that at least one U.S.
Army facility does exist.
The U.S. Army operates a facility in the northern
Virginia town of Warrenton. A reported underground
bunker known as the U.S. Army Warrenton Training
Center, this very secretive installation is supposedly a
Federal Relocation Center for an unknown agency.20 In
fact, when I visited the area in the summer of 1992 I
decided that there may possibly be two such sites. There
are two U.S. Army facilities there, one on Rt. 802 and the
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Underground Bases and Tunnels
other on Bear Wallow Road, on Viewtree Mountain. One
facility is "Station A" and the other is "Station B". Both have
signs out front saying "Warrenton Training Center."
When asked about local, underground installations,
the person who gave directions to these facilities said that
Station B is believed to be a computing and communications
facility (this may well be true, judging by the large
antennae towering overhead and the AT&T microwave
facility located in a field to the rear). He then added, "but
no one knows what goes on at Station A." Unfortunately, if
the actions of the guard on duty at Station A when I visited
are any indication the Army does not want anyone to find
out, either.
As I attempted to snap a photo of the gate area from
my car the guard sprang into action and bounded toward
me waving his arms and angrily shouting, "No!"
Somewhat taken aback at his reaction, which seemed
out of all proportion to an innocent snapshot of a
government facility, I asked him, "Why not? I'm on a public
right-of-way."
He replied even more forcefully, "Because I said so!"
As he spoke those words, three other security personnel
standing just inside the gate began to move toward me.
Suddenly feeling very much as if I had abruptly been
stripped of citizenship in a democratic republic and had
crossed over unaware into some grim netherworld ruled by
military decree I gave up trying to take a picture and drove
away.
Peering through the fence at the back of the
installation I did notice that at Station A there are
massively thick power cables that descend utility poles
from large electrical transformers and disappear
underground."

"SITE 3- INYO COUNTY, CALIFORNIA. Access via inclined
shaft. The five potential sites are located in the Argus
Mountains and near the town of Darwin. The report says
the two most important locations, from the standpoint of
geological conditions that are favorable for constructing a
large, underground cavity, are sites D and E. Site D is 4
miles due west of Darwin; Site E is several miles northwest
of Trona, directly under Argus Peak. This is a few miles
inside the boundary of the China Lake Naval Weapons
Center."36

"I would reemphasize at this juncture that I do not
know whether or not any of the cavities discussed in this
Army Corps of Engineers document, including the one near
Trona, California, were ever excavated. Clearly, a great
deal of care and time was invested in this planning study;
whether that care and planning translated into actual
construction I do not know. I would note, however, that
the projected Trona, California site lies just inside the
boundary of the China Lake Naval Weapons Center, which
has long been rumored to be the site of a massive
underground installation. While I cannot speak to the truth
of the rumor, I nevertheless find it suggestive that in 1964
the Army Corps of Engineers published a document that
sets out in some detail a plan to construct a large, deep
underground cavity at that location."

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 651924/pg1

There are a whole lot of videos by Richard Sauder, the guy who wrote the book, on youtube. Haven't watched or listened to any of them. At least not yet; so I don't know if he's credible or not.
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Re: The Underworld Empire

Postby tronagirl » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:21 am

What Lies Below Argus Peak?
It seems that we'd have heard more about this underground facility. I realize that people who work on base aren't supposed to talk about secret facilities, but it would seem that there would be rumors. There would most likely be large tunnels which provide access to the facility and it's likely they'd be visible on Google maps satellite view. Anyone have a chance to check that out?
surfsteve wrote:I would reemphasize at this juncture that I do not know whether or not any of the cavities discussed in this Army Corps of Engineers document, including the one near Trona, California, were ever excavated. Clearly, a great deal of care and time was invested in this planning study; whether that care and planning translated into actual construction I do not know. I would note, however, that the projected Trona, California site lies just inside the boundary of the China Lake Naval Weapons Center, which has long been rumored to be the site of a massive underground installation. While I cannot speak to the truth of the rumor, I nevertheless find it suggestive that in 1964 the Army Corps of Engineers published a document that sets out in some detail a plan to construct a large, deep underground cavity at that location.
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