The Dangerous IQ Debate

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The Dangerous IQ Debate

Postby a2z » Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:40 pm

Jordan Peterson: Dangerous IQ Debate
Of all things measured by psychology the one thing that can be measured more accurately than anything else is IQ. IQ has an undeniably genetic basis. There are statistically relevant and reliable differences in average IQ between racial groups. Do we acknowledge and discuss it or do we pretend it doesn't exist?
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Re: The Dangerous IQ Debate

Postby a2z » Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:42 pm

Important Information on Gap between High and Low IQ people - Jordan Peterson
It may be that intelligence isn't everything, but there's no doubt that it is incredibly important.
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Re: The Dangerous IQ Debate

Postby drdesert » Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:31 am

a2z: Jordan engages in a bit of apologetics at the end of each of the two videos you discussed. He insists that intelligence does not equate to wisdom, a person's value as a human, or moral character. However, elsewhere he makes a number of statements which call these niceties into question. People with high intelligence are more likely to develop wisdom. People with high intelligence are more able to make meaningful contributions to society, and people with high intelligence are more likely to recognize how their self-interest coincides with the self-interest of others (a basis of moral behavior). Having said all that, intelligence isn't the only measure of human value, but it is probably the single most important element which contributes to one's value as a human. However, if you are a powerful person you might feel threatened by intelligent people and prefer easily manipulated, docile, obedient sheeple who can't think for themselves. It all depends on perspective and what attributes are valued when it comes to such judgements.
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Re: The Dangerous IQ Debate

Postby wildrose » Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:19 am

California actually has a law making it illegal to record IQ test scores of black public school students. It's obvious that they don't want to contribute to the mountain of evidence that blacks on average have low IQ scores. According to sources I've seen the average black IQ is ten to twelve points lower than white IQs. (Asian averages are slightly higher than whites and hispanics are lower than whites, but a little higher than blacks.) The fact that California has laws to conceal black IQs makes it pretty obvious that the IQ gap is real.
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Re: The Dangerous IQ Debate

Postby shadylady » Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:18 am

When intelligence is lacking, emotion fills the void.
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Re: The Dangerous IQ Debate

Postby BoraxBill » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:31 am

Some people seem to think that reality must do what we would prefer it to do. Reality doesn't give a darn about our desires. If there are serious differences between the average intelligence level between different ethnic groups, then that's the way the ball bounces. However, it's not the average achievement level of different groups that matters, it's individual merit that matters. Fairness cannot be measured by comparing groups, it can only be measured by comparing individuals.

That's why "individualism" is considered to be a bad thing by the "anti-racism" crowd, but the important thing to keep in mind is that the "anti-racists" are the real racists. They support quotas, reparations, and affirmative action and that sort of thing and all these things are racists policies.
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Re: The Dangerous IQ Debate

Postby torn80 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:40 pm

I found this in the "COMMON CORE" thread in the "LOCAL NEWS" forum:
mrgreen wrote:
drdesert wrote:BLM Teacher Breaks Down How Addition Is Racist
There is a very slim thread of truth to the idea that our number system and arithmetic algorithms are racist, but the argument is extremely weak. Here's what's true. Many primitive cultures never developed to the point where they had names for numbers before they came into contact with modern cultures. All modern cultures adopted the base ten system because it is very efficient and easy to work with. [As a side note, it's also true that many cultures -- particularly in Africa -- never invented the wheel and only learned about it as a result of coming into contact with modern Europeans.] Another important point to make is that people with high IQs tend to be good at math. In fact, math skills are the quickest and most reliable way of identifying a person of high intelligence, although there are exceptions to the rule, it is reliable most of the time. So, if you belong to a racial group with an average IQ which is lower than other racial groups, then it may SEEM like math is racist, but it's actually the case that math is just hard for people with low IQs. It's that simple.

drdesert: You point out the real INCONVENIENT TRUTH that the USA is currently facing. The BS that Al Gore claimed about global warming and climate change is not the real inconvenient truth at all. In fact, it was probably meant as a distraction from the real inconvenient truth. It's obvious that the real crisis we face is the IQ CRISIS and the fact that race enters into it makes it all the more difficult for people to come to grips with the reality of the situation.

Additionally:
BoraxBill wrote:
CrustyOldFart wrote:Racism is not the problem. It's the lack of black achievement in areas where they lack aptitude, which is most areas of employment.

You can't expect STUPID people to recognize their own stupidity. At the same time the rest of us shouldn't be expected to put up with their insolence and sense of entitlement. I'm for increasing incarceration rates and just warehousing the portion of the low-IQ population that is unable to behave in a civilized manner.
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Re: The Dangerous IQ Debate

Postby MojaveMike » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:04 am

Genetics and Intelligence Robert Plomin
There's a lot covered in this thirteen-minute video, but the pivotal point for me was that cultural environments are a reflection of their populations. Inner-city environments are intellectually impoverished not because of economic disparities, but because of IQ deficits of the inhabitants. You see the same thing happening in Trona. As those with higher IQs move out and those with low IQs stay or move into the area we see a process of cultural impoverishment taking place. This creates an environment which people with high IQs find unrewarding and over time fewer and fewer of those individuals stay in Trona and as a result we see a decline in the overall average IQ. BTW, I left Trona long ago, but have ties to the small town. It occupies a dear spot in my heart, but I'm a realist and basically honest and so I call 'em the way I see 'em.
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Re: The Dangerous IQ Debate

Postby camel » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:36 pm

Jordan Peterson - What Kind Of Job Fits Your IQ
If ten percent of the population is too stupid to be good for anything, then how should we as a society deal with this problem? Peterson says that both the liberal and conservative answers to this question are completely useless, but he stops short of offering any suggestions, which I find a little bit odd and also a bit of a cop-out.
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Re: The Dangerous IQ Debate

Postby drdesert » Mon Jan 03, 2022 6:32 am

camel: Possibly a cop-out, but more likely the solution is obvious and unpleasant. It probably takes the form of incarceration for the most part and possibly sterilization. Before WWII these ideas were openly discussed, but then Nazi Germany came along and took things to an insane extreme.
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